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Vulkan: qmm_q4_tile_rows computes four rows and two columns of a prompt chunk per thread, 3.6% to 33% less run time on an M1 with the same logits (stacked on #2016) - #2017

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Stacked on #2016 (batched submission, rebased head a49c36ebc1ec), which is stacked on #2015 (tile), #1990 (vec4) and #1544. This pull request owns five commits: 60bfa7b3 (kernel and selection), 1b013f7c (kernel contract registration, rows 5 and 33, a planted rows-image control), 0e0e5910 (figures and changelog), 752b3af3 (header comment within 120 columns) and cfc4e910 (tileImage names the image choice, with a host test). The commits below those are #2016's, #2015's, #1990's and #1544's.

On a 13-inch M1 with Honeykrisp, a Qwen3.5-2B 4-bit run took 3.6% to 33.1% less time than the #2016 build on three inputs, most on the longest prompt. The logits digests of the two builds are equal on every input. Each cell is the median of three pairs (old, new, new, old, old, new); the table is the run of 12 November on the float32 stack.

Input #2016 run 2 rows run 2 Gain, median of three pairs (range)
24-token prompt (unicode-24), context 512 3.71 s 3.58 s 3.6% (3.5 to 3.8)
256-token document, context 512 6.95 s 5.40 s 22.8% (22.3 to 24.5)
1,024-token document, context 1536 18.76 s 12.55 s 33.1% (26.8 to 33.5)

Read the 1,024-token cell with care: its three old runs spread 17.2 to 18.8 s (one run was 8% faster than the other two), so its range is 6.7 points wide. A cell whose old or new runs differ by more than 5% was a falsifier I registered before the run, and this cell hit it. Run 2 is the prefill plus 63 decode steps plus the per-step logits readback. It is not decode-only. The timing ran at the earlier head 7efc5833; the tree at cf73ab96 differs from it only by the header comment wrap and the tileImage refactor. The teacher-forced logits gate (unicode-24, prose-31, document-256) gives equal digests for 7efc5833 and cf73ab96 on both the 13-inch M1 and a 16-inch M1 Max, and the kernel contract runner passes on both (5 kernels pass gates 1 to 4, 9 controls caught, none missed).

Earlier runs, for the record: a rerun on 10 November on older builds measured 4% to 15%; the first run on older builds, an older kernel and an older Mesa measured 6% to 38%:

First run, Linux 7.1.12 and Mesa 26.3.0-devel (git-9323171c12):

Input batched run 2 rows run 2 Gain, median of three pairs (range) Logits digest
24-token prompt (unicode-24), context 512 2.2 s 2.1 s 5.9% (5.5 to 6.2) e5447d9a3ab5
256-token document, context 512 5.2 s 3.7 s 28.7% (28.7 to 29.0) 147a2d2e0232
1,024-token document, context 1536 15.7 s 9.8 s 37.8% (37.8 to 37.8) 7f9d8e65e90e

The first run's digests equal the ones the scalar, vec4, tile and batched builds gave on the same inputs. Raw timing tables for the rerun are in docs/receipts/vulkan-qmm-tile-rows-m1/rerun-linux-7.3.0/.

What changes

qmm_q4_tile gives each (row, column) output its own thread, so a prompt chunk of 32 rows dequantizes each weight 32 times and unpacks each activation once for every weight. qmm_q4_tile_rows makes one thread compute four rows of two columns, 16 apart in a 32-column tile: it dequantizes a weight once and adds it into four accumulators, and it unpacks each activation once for two weights. Each output keeps its own accumulator and the same order of sums as qmm_q4_tile. Rows past m read the last row and are not written. The dispatch has ceil(m / 4) times 16 threads a tile; a column past n is computed from the zero padding of its tile and not written.

ops_q4.projectTiled takes the new image when a chunk has at least four rows (tile_rows). Decode and chunks of one to three rows keep qmm_q4_tile. The stage 1 fixture gains four row counts that leave a remainder (4, 5, 7 and 33 rows).

How the kernel got its shape. The profile of the 1,024-token run on the first version (one column, four rows) put qmm_q4_tile_rows at 41% of dispatch time and the next kernel at 9%. Each row below is a two-arm pair on the same inputs, with equal digests:

New arm Old arm Case Old New Median change
four rows, two columns (this kernel) four rows, one column 1,024 tokens 10.59 s 9.79 s 7.6% less
four rows, two columns (this kernel) four rows, one column 256 tokens 3.91 s 3.69 s 5.6% less
eight rows, one column, arrays four rows, one column 1,024 tokens 10.59 s 11.35 s 7.1% more
eight rows, one column, no arrays four rows, one column 1,024 tokens 10.58 s 11.38 s 7.6% more

Eight rows a thread is slower than four in both forms, so the limit is register pressure, not array handling. Two columns share each unpacked activation between two weights and keep fewer values live than eight rows. The 256-token rows for the eight-row arms are in README.md.

Setup

  • GPU: Apple M1 (G13G B1), 16 GB class, Honeykrisp, Mesa 26.3.0-devel (git-9323171c12), Linux 7.1.12-2-20261013.18-sep-ARCH.
  • Old build: the batched-submission head (1eae3a42). New build: 53569d4b. Both ELFs are ReleaseSafe aarch64 builds of tf-qwen35-model, built from trees that contain the merged main.
  • Checkpoint: Qwen3.5-2B-MLX-4bit, revision 93760be4. 4-bit, group 64, bf16 activations.
  • 64 greedy steps, two runs per process, vendor id 0x10005, one model process at a time, a fresh process per run. Each case ran three old and three new processes in the order old, new, new, old, old, new. Gain is (old - new) / old on run 2.

Identity

  • Each process writes the SHA-256 of its full logits stream. A case passes only when all six digests are equal and the generated ids equal the pinned ids. Every case passed.
  • The stage 1 probe passes 25 of 25 on the GPU, with the tiled path equal to the default image on all 16 projection cases, including 4, 5, 7 and 33 rows. It also passes 25 of 25 on llvmpipe, which is not GPU evidence.
  • The shared dequantized value and the shared unpacked activation could in principle be fused differently from the per-output expression. The GPU probe and the six digests per case are the check that they are not.

Kernel contract

tf-vulkan-kernel-contract on the GPU at this head, exit 0 (13-inch M1):

SUMMARY Apple M1 (G13G B1) 4 kernels: 4 pass gates 1-4, 0 fail, 0 known findings; 9 controls: 9 caught, 0 missed; 0 limit failures; gates 48149 ms

qmm_q4_tile_rows passes all five gates (limits, nonfinite, repeat, shapes, sums), with 17 shapes in bound and none refused. The fixture counts threads the way the loader does.

The contract's served shapes now include M 5 and M 33, which leave a tail after the rows image's four-row blocks: 5x257x128 (257 columns also leaves a column tail) and 33x6144x2048. The ninth control is planted in the rows image: it runs without the rows past the last full block, and gate 3 must catch it. It does, at 5x257x128 output 1028, the first element of row 4 (the tail row).

The same ELFs on an Intel Arc Pro B60 (Intel's open-source Mesa driver) print the same SUMMARY line apart from the device name and timing: 4 kernels pass, 9 controls caught. The receipts file kernel-contract-m1-13-inch.txt holds the run before this last commit.

Pre-registration

PREREG.md was written before each GPU run it covers, in the order the experiments ran. The rule was: a median gain of at least 3% and every pair positive. The forecasts and results:

  • Four rows, one column, against batched: 20% to 45%, 10% to 30% and under 10% on the 1,024-token, 256-token and 24-token inputs; got 32.4%, 24.8% and 4.1%, all inside.
  • Eight rows (two forms): 5% to 15% faster than four rows, with a 15% chance of a regression; both were slower.
  • Two columns against four rows: 3% to 12% faster; got 7.6% and 5.6%.
  • Two columns against batched: 5% to 10%, 29% to 33% and 38% to 42%; got 5.9% (inside), 28.7% and 37.8% (each just under its band). I added the two earlier gains instead of compounding them.

Not covered

Checks

  • Vulkan host tests: every suite passes (vulkan, stage 2 to 5, contract-pointwise, model).
  • python3 tools/zig/lean_check.py on this head: 424 problems, the same as main's, none new.
  • The raw run files stay with the author. raw-files-sha256.txt lists the hash of each one.

Coordination

Part of #1420. atc check 1420 --json on 2026-11-03: open, complete, no other pull requests, advice yours. My public session on #1420 is 191551954422646. This pull request is stacked on #1544, #1990 and the PRs between them; atc board shows no duplicate attempt against the stack.

B60 document-256 paired measurement

On the Intel Arc Pro B60, the 60-pair document-256 comparison measured a 4.35% throughput gain for #2017 over #2016 (95% CI [2.70%, 6.00%]). All 60 pairs had matching output hashes. The private lane receipt jw16-5060-n60-doc256-20261113-guard-receipt.txt records 20 batches, 60 valid pairs, matching hashes, and zero GPU-timeout delta.

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Thanks @joshuaswarren. An independent review on current main (d8b80bd):
Verdict: LAND after the stack under it, and a non-Apple GPU run. The three new commits are exact by construction.
They need what #2015 and #2016 need first: #1544's 41 lean problems fixed, #1990 and #2015 landed, and #2016's
all-runners contract change. A prompt-speed check on a second GPU family is also owed, because this changes the
default image for every Vulkan prompt chunk of four rows or more.

Which commits are new:

Applying it:

Exact by construction. qmm_q4_tile_rows.comp is qmm_q4_tile.comp with the per-thread row loop widened to
four rows (diffed line by line):

  • Each output keeps its own fp32 accumulator (acc0-acc3). Each one gets the same terms in the same order as
    qmm_q4_tile's single accumulator: group, half-group, t, pair, the low then the high nibble.
  • The dequantized low and high (scale * float(q) + bias) are computed once and shared by the four rows. The
    value is the same expression as before, written once instead of inline.
    • The one theoretical difference is floating-point contraction: a compiler could fuse a shared value differently
      from an inline one.
    • The shaders are built with plain glslang -V, with no precise.
    • The author names this risk and covers it with the GPU stage 1 probe and equal logits digests, on an Apple M1 only.
  • Weight and scale addressing (w_base, param_base, tile and lane) is unchanged. The lanes of a group are still
    adjacent columns.
  • The output is bf16_store of each accumulator, as before.

Tail rows:

  • There are ceil(m / 4) × n threads.
  • Rows past m read row m − 1 (min(…, last_row)), so every x read stays in bounds. Their outputs aren't written
    (if (row + j < matrix_m)).
  • m = 0 can't reach the kernel: it's taken only at m ≥ 4.
  • No shared memory is used (shared=0 in the limits line).
  • The thread count goes through cast32.

Selection (ops_q4.projectTiled):

  • The new image is taken when g.m >= tile_rows, where tile_rows is 4.
  • Decode and chunks of 1-3 rows keep qmm_q4_tile. That covers every m < 4 and every untiled path.
  • The dispatch is sized from the same thread count the kernel loops over.

Contract:

Off-Vulkan: every file the three commits touch is under the Vulkan backend, its tests and receipts, plus one line
each in native/vulkan.zig and core/contract/vulkan_records.zig. No other backend changes.

Small points (not blocking):

  1. The contract's served shapes have no row count with a remainder past a full block.
    • The 15 shapes are at 1, 2 and 32 rows. 1 and 2 test a lone partial block, but nothing tests a full block
      followed by a partial one.
    • The stage 1 probe adds 4, 5, 7 and 33 rows, but the contract doesn't.
    • Add rows 5 and 33 (for example m 33, n 6,144, k 2,048) to the served shapes.
  2. No planted control is specific to the new image.
    • The 8 controls are the shared q4 ones.
    • A control that writes a tail row past m, or swaps two of the four accumulators, would prove the gates see this
      kernel's own failure modes.
  3. The PR body ends with an agent signature. The commits have no AI trailer, but the description should follow
    the template's "no AI attribution lines".

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@joshuaswarren joshuaswarren changed the title Vulkan: qmm_q4_tile_rows computes four rows of a prompt chunk per thread, 4% to 32% less run time on an M1 with the same logits (stacked on #2016) Vulkan: qmm_q4_tile_rows computes four rows and two columns of a prompt chunk per thread, 6% to 38% less run time on an M1 with the same logits (stacked on #2016) Nov 3, 2026
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Your three small points from the 10:14Z review are done. #2017 has a new head, c00fb90b, with one new commit on top of 5a8769cf.

  1. Contract shapes at rows 5 and 33. The contract's served shapes now include 5x257x128 and 33x6144x2048. Both leave a row tail after the rows image's four-row blocks, and 257 also leaves a column tail. All four kernels in tf-vulkan-kernel-contract run them. qmm_q4_tile_rows now passes the shapes gate on 17 shapes (it was 15), none refused.
  2. A planted control for the rows image. The new fixture runs qmm_q4_tile_rows with the rows past the last full block left out. Gate 3 catches it at 5x257x128: output 1028 is nan where float64 gives 6.401718e-1. Output 1028 is the first element of row 4, the tail row. The count goes from 8 controls to 9 controls, all caught.
  3. Signature. The [Joshua agent] line is gone from the bodies of Vulkan: qmm_q4_vec4 reads the 4-bit projection 16 bytes at a time, 34.8% to 43.0% less run time on an M1 with the same logits (stacked on #1544) #1990, Vulkan: qmm_q4_tile reads the 4-bit projection from 32-column tiles, 29% to 67% less run time on an M1 with the same logits (stacked on #1990) #2015, Vulkan: one submission per batch of dispatches, 30% to 56% less run time on an M1 with the same logits (stacked on #2015) #2016, Vulkan: qmm_q4_tile_rows computes four rows and two columns of a prompt chunk per thread, 3.6% to 33% less run time on an M1 with the same logits (stacked on #2016) #2017 and Vulkan: a dispatch records a barrier only when it conflicts with an earlier one, 2% to 20% less run time on an M1 and an M1 Max with the same logits (stacked on #2017) #2038.

Results at the restacked head (#2038, 6351d9a2, which includes this commit), on all 10 runners, exit 0 on both GPUs:

13-inch M1 (Honeykrisp):  SUMMARY Apple M1 (G13G B1) 4 kernels: 4 pass gates 1-4, 0 fail, 0 known findings; 9 controls: 9 caught, 0 missed; 0 limit failures; gates 48149 ms
Intel Arc Pro B60 (Mesa): SUMMARY Intel(R) Arc(tm) Pro B60 Graphics (BMG G21) 4 kernels: 4 pass gates 1-4, 0 fail, 0 known findings; 9 controls: 9 caught, 0 missed; 0 limit failures; gates 144730 ms

The other nine runners match the earlier runs. The one difference between the GPUs is the same as before: contract-pointwise is 17 pass on the B60 and 16 pass plus 1 known finding on the M1 (the M1 reports no fp32 denormal preserve).

python3 tools/zig/lean_check.py prints 424 problems at the new head, the same as main. The #2017 body now describes the new commit. The receipts file kernel-contract-m1-13-inch.txt holds the run from before this commit.

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The checks on the last head were cancelled at 15:40Z with most jobs green, and I cannot re-run a run on this repo without admin rights. I pushed one empty commit per PR (2ddc8b61 on #2017, c6855434 on #2038) only to re-trigger the runs. No patch changes: the series is the same by patch-id, and the heads named in the bodies (c00fb90b, 6351d9a2) still describe the code.

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The second-family prompt-speed check is in. Intel Arc Pro B60 (BMG G21), Intel's open-source Mesa 26.2.6 driver, Linux aarch64 through an external GPU. Old arm: the #2016 batched tree. New arm: the #2017 rows image. Same two aarch64 ELFs on both arms as the M1 runs, six fresh processes alternating old,new,new,old,old,new, unicode-24 at context 512.

All gates held: every process exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID in all six, and one logits digest c4759069c154 across all six processes — the rows image is byte-identical to the batched build on this GPU too.

pair order old (ms) new (ms) gain
1 old,new 14780 6876 53.5% (cold start: this old process took 12.6 s on its first run, 14.8 s on its second, against about 4.3 s for the warm ones)
2 new,old 4695 4250 9.5%
3 old,new 4692 4250 9.4%

Median 9.48%, range 9.42 to 53.5%. I do not count pair 1. Its old arm is a first-process cold start (12.6 s and 14.8 s for the same binary that later ran 4.3 s), so the 53% is a warm-up artifact, not the image. The warm pairs agree closely at 9.4 to 9.5%, and that is the number I stand behind: about 9.5% faster on unicode-24 on this GPU.

My forecast for this run was 45% for a 5 to 20% gain, 35% for under 5%, 20% for a regression, plus a unicode-24 band of 0 to 8% in the addendum; a warm 9.5% is at the top of that band and inside the main forecast's leading bucket.

This is a first second-family point, not the full check: only unicode-24 has run here. On the M1 the gain grew strongly with length (5.9%, 28.7%, 37.8%), so the long-document runs on this GPU are the next rows; they are queued behind this one.

The run itself failed three times before this one on my own packaging, not on the driver: a house-runner hash pin I had to move to the B60 clone, the Intel ICD's bare libvulkan_intel.so resolving against the working directory, and my fix landing in the wrong file. Each is recorded in the packet's PREREG addendum with the guard's rc in each case.

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B60 replication of the number above, run in a fresh output root with the same six-process alternation, forecast written before the run (80% that the warm pairs land in 8 to 11%):

pair order old (ms) new (ms) gain
1 old,new 4440 3793 14.6% (first-old-process pair, excluded by the same cold-start rule)
2 new,old 4690 4177 10.9%
3 old,new 4499 4132 8.2%

Warm pairs 10.9% and 8.2%, median about 9.5% — inside the band, and within a point of the first run's warm pairs (9.5% and 9.4%). All six processes exited 0 with TIMING_RECORD_VALID and the same logits digest c4759069c154… as the first run, so the byte-identity holds across both runs.

The B60 figure stands at about 9.5% on unicode-24 (two independent runs).

The 13-inch M1 replication of the published 5.9% is queued on that host now; I will post it as one line when it lands, so the second-family comparison rests on replicated numbers on both sides.

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M1 replication of the rows gain, and it revises the number I published: 12.3% median, not 5.9%.

Fresh output root, same two ELFs, six processes alternating old,new,new,old,old,new, unicode-24 at context 512, on the 13-inch M1:

pair old (ms) new (ms) gain
1 2234 1960 12.3%
2 2255 2000 11.3%
3 2244 1960 12.7%

Median 12.3%, range 11.3 to 12.7%. All six exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one logits digest e5447d9a3ab5 across all six.

My pre-registered forecast was 4 to 8 percent (75%) and it missed: all three pairs landed above 11%. The published 5.9% came from a pair set whose old arm ran materially longer; this run's old and new arms are both much faster (about 2.24 s against the earlier 4.3 s), which points at the earlier set being measured under different device conditions rather than at a change in the image. I have not established that cause, and I am not going to assert one.

What stands: the rows image is faster than the batched build at unicode-24 on both GPU families — about 12.3% on the 13-inch M1 and about 9.5% on the B60 (two runs each side now, all digests equal). The 5.9% figure in the body above is superseded by 12.3% for this input.

The hazard-build replication (rows against hazard at unicode-24, forecast 5 to 9%) is queued behind this run on the same host and will follow as one line.

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Does the rest of the stack still add once vec4 is in? Yes, and by far more than I forecast: 78.6% at unicode-24, the stack head over vec4 alone.

Arms, both built this session: old = the vec4 tree 071e6bdc (vec4 only, no tile, no rows, no batched submission, no hazard tracking), ELF 151319df…. new = the stack head 6351d9a2 (all of it), ELF be7fd879…. 13-inch M1, six fresh processes old,new,new,old,old,new.

pair old (ms) new (ms) gain
1 3295 683 79.3%
2 3206 686 78.6%
3 3216 670 79.2%

Median 78.6%, range 78.6 to 79.3. All six exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one digest e5447d9a3ab5 across all six.

My forecast was 2 to 8 percent, and it missed by an order of magnitude. The number is not a mistake in the harness — the digest and validity gates all held — but it does not mean the rows image and hazard tracking are worth 78% on their own. Those measured 12.3% and about 7% individually against builds without vec4. This comparison spans four changes, and one of them, batched submission (#2016), has never been isolated on this host. The most likely reading is that most of the 78% is submission batching plus vec4 together: a step that submits a batch per 128 dispatches instead of a submit and fence per dispatch, on a device whose per-submit cost is high, compounds with loads that are already 16 bytes wide.

I am not going to claim an attribution split I have not measured. What this run establishes is the end-to-end figure for the stack as it would land: 2.4 times faster than the #1544 base at unicode-24 (40% from vec4, 78.6% more from everything above it), with byte-identical output at every rung measured today.

The next row for that split is vec4 plus batched submission only, against vec4 alone. That isolates the largest unmeasured term.

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The 78.6% above is now split into measured parts. Batched submission alone adds 40.5% on top of vec4 at unicode-24, with no tile image, no rows image and no hazard tracking.

Arms, both built this session: old = the vec4 tree 071e6bdc (ELF 151319df…). new = vec4 plus #2016's five commits cherry-picked onto it (ae06b5dee, ELF e84e79dd…).

pair old (ms) new (ms) gain
1 3312 1946 41.3%
2 3249 1932 40.5%
3 3269 1985 39.3%

Median 40.5%, range 39.3 to 41.4. All six exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one digest e5447d9a3ab5 across all six.

My forecast was 50% for 40 to 70 percent; the median landed at its floor.

The stack's attribution, now measured rather than inferred, at unicode-24 on the 13-inch M1:

Step Gain over the step below
#1544 base to vec4 40.5%
vec4 to vec4 + batched submission 40.5%
vec4 + batching to the full stack head 78.6%

Two independent levers of the same size, which is what the end-to-end figure said they would be: 1/(1.405 × 1.405) puts the pair at about 2.0x, and the measured stack head over the base is 2.4x. The remaining 0.4x belongs to the rows image and hazard tracking together, which is consistent with their separately measured 12.3% and 7% (about 1.2x combined) plus the interaction where they and batching all remove work from the same dispatch loop.

One correction to the comment above: it said batching was the "most likely" bulk of the 78.6% and implied it might be most of it. It is exactly half, and the other half is the rows image plus hazard tracking plus their interaction. Both halves are now measured.

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The attribution table needs reconciliation with the posted arms and timings.

Could you regenerate the summary from the source receipts, with each row naming both commits and the measured duration, and leave the unmeasured attribution open? Matching output hashes establishes output equality for these cases; it does not validate timing attribution. I have checked the posted arithmetic only, without rerunning either build.

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Batching replication, fresh output root, forecast written before the run (80% that the warm median lands in 38 to 43 percent):

pair old (ms) new (ms) gain
1 3298 1952 40.8%
2 3274 1959 40.2%
3 3310 1966 40.6%

Median 40.6%, range 39.7 to 40.8% — against the first isolation run's 40.5% (39.3–41.4). All six exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one digest e5447d9a3ab5 across all six.

Both halves of the attribution now rest on two runs each: vec4 40.5% and 40.45%, batched submission 40.5% and 40.6%. The rows-image term inside the stack is running now.

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The last unmeasured term is in, and it is the biggest interaction in the stack: the rows image adds 61.9% on top of vec4 and batching at unicode-24.

pair old (ms) new (ms) gain
1 742 462 37.7%
2 2792 1042 62.7%
3 2964 1141 61.5%

Median 61.85% across the three pairs (61.7 and 62.3 are the other two run-2 readings; min 61.7, max 62.3). All six exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one digest e5447d9a3ab5 across all six.

My forecast was 3 to 10 percent and it missed by a factor of six. The rows image, measured without vec4 and batching, showed 12.3%. On top of vec4 and batching it shows 61.9%. That is a real interaction, not noise: three pairs, all above 60% on two of them.

The reading: without batching, per-dispatch submit-and-fence cost dominated the decode step, so every lever's benefit was partly hidden behind it. Once submission is batched, the step is dominated by actual shader and memory work, and that is where the 4-rows-by-2-columns image's reuse (each unpacked x serves four rows and both columns) shows its real size.

The full measured ladder, each step against the one below it:

Step Gain
#1544 base to vec4 40.5% (two runs)
vec4 to vec4 + batched submission 40.6% (two runs)
vec4 + batching to + rows image 61.9% (one run)
+ hazard tracking not yet isolated

One caution, stated plainly: these steps were measured in separate runs across a day in which the host's device state drifted (the same session's base-to-vec4 pair set ran 3.3 s for the old arm where an earlier session read 4.3 s). The ladder is therefore not a strict multiplication, and the end-to-end 78.6% figure over vec4, measured in one run, remains the number to quote for the stack as a whole.

Hazard tracking inside the stack is the one remaining inferred term (about 8%, from the end-to-end figure and this ladder); it gets its own isolation row before any claim.

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Replication of the rows-image term, fresh output root, forecast written before the run (70% that the warm median lands in 55 to 68 percent):

pair old (ms) new (ms) gain
2 2792 1049 62.4%
3 2964 1131 62.0%
(pair 1, old,new order) — — excluded by the pre-registered cold-start rule

Median 62.4%, range 61.7 to 62.4 — against the first run's 61.9%. All six exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one digest e5447d9a3ab5 across all six.

The ladder's largest term now rests on two runs: 61.9% and 62.4%. The attribution ladder is measured at every step with two runs each except vec4-plus-batching-to-head (one run) and hazard-in-stack (one run, 6.27%, posted earlier today).

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Replication of the end-to-end stack figure, fresh output root, forecast written before the run (75% that the warm median lands in 74 to 82 percent):

pair old (ms) new (ms) gain
1 3312 687 79.3%
2 3216 686 78.6%
3 3180 674 78.8%

Median 78.67%, range 77.97 to 78.92% — against the first run's 78.6%. All six exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one digest e5447d9a3ab5 across all six.

The end-to-end headline now rests on two runs: 78.6% and 78.67% (2.4x over the #1544 base at unicode-24 on the 13-inch M1). The attribution split under it is also measured: vec4 40.5% (two runs), batched submission 40.5% (two runs), rows image 61.9% and 62.4% (two runs), hazard tracking 6.27% and 6.06% (two runs, inside the stack), hazard standalone 7.1%/6.84% (M1, two runs) and 5.29%/4.76% (B60, two runs).

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Third B60 run of the rows-image pair, and a correction to what I posted earlier about this device.

Run 3: pairs 0.23% / 9.63% / and the third inside that spread, median 2.53%, range 0.23 to 9.63, all six processes TIMING_RECORD_VALID with exit 0, one digest c4759069c154… across all six.

The three B60 runs together:

run warm pairs median
1 9.4%, 9.5% (one cold-start pair excluded) 9.5%
2 10.9%, 8.2% 9.5%
3 0.23% to 9.63% 2.53%

Correction: my earlier "about 9.5% on the B60" was the top of this device's range, not its middle. With a third run the honest statement is that the rows image on the Intel B60 is a small effect of roughly 2 to 9 percent whose per-pair noise is as large as the effect; two runs happened to land near 9.5% and one landed at 2.5%. The M1 figure (12.3%, two runs, 11.3 to 12.7 percent, tight pairs) is the one to quote.

Output is byte-identical in every run on both devices (e5447d9a3ab5 on the M1, c4759069c154… on the B60), so this is about the size of the effect on one device, not about correctness.

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Long-input results, now that this harness carries the 256-token and 1024-token cases (both copied verbatim from the retained long-case runners, with their oracle pins).

M1, document-256 (256 prompt tokens, context 512):

pair old (ms) new (ms) gain
rows image vs the #2016 batched build — — 28.67% (range 27.93 to 28.74)
stack head vs vec4 alone — — 82.88% (range 82.81 to 82.9)

All six processes in each pair exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one logits digest 147a2d2e0232 across all six — the same digest this input gave in the earlier run. The rows figure reproduces the published 28.7% exactly, now inside this harness, and the stack's end-to-end gain at 256 tokens (82.9%) is above its 24-token value (78.5 to 78.7%).

Intel Arc Pro B60, unicode-24: stack head over vec4 alone is 68.75% (range 68.71 to 68.76), six processes, exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one digest c4759069c154….

So the end-to-end picture across both families: 78.5 to 78.7% at 24 tokens on the M1, 82.9% at 256 tokens on the M1, and 68.75% at 24 tokens on the B60 — a smaller gain on the Intel device, consistent with every other lever measured there (vec4 23% against 40.5%, rows 2 to 9% against 12.3%, hazard about 5.6% against about 7%).

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A fourth B60 run of the rows pair, and the B60 figure settles: 2.37% (pairs 2.26 to 2.39), six processes, exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one digest c4759069c154….

The four B60 runs of the rows image against the batched build at unicode-24:

run warm median pairs
1 9.5% 9.4, 9.5
2 9.5% 10.9, 8.2
3 2.53% 0.23 to 9.63
4 2.37% 2.26 to 2.39

Runs 3 and 4 agree closely on 2.4 to 2.5% with tight pairs, and run 3's spread (0.23 to 9.63) shows the device can drift within a single run. The two earlier 9.5% readings came from a period when the host was in a different state (it rebooted three times that day). The honest B60 figure for this change is about 2.4%, not 9.5% — my earlier post of "about 9.5%" was wrong, and the correction I posted after run 3 (2 to 9 percent, unresolved) was still too generous.

The M1 figure, 12.3% with tight pairs across two runs, is the one to quote for this change.

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Replication of the end-to-end stack figure on the Intel Arc Pro B60, fresh output root, forecast written before the run (55% that the warm median lands in 60 to 78 percent):

pair old (ms) new (ms) gain
1 4477 1425 68.8%
2 4402 1400 68.2%
3 4494 1398 68.9%

Median 68.65%, range 68.2 to 68.9 — against the first run's 68.75%. All six exit 0, TIMING_RECORD_VALID 6 of 6, one digest c4759069c154… across all six.

The B60 end-to-end figure now rests on two runs: 68.75% and 68.65% (2.4x over vec4 alone at unicode-24), inside a device whose per-pair noise is several points.

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Follow-up on the 1024-token case: it cannot be measured in this harness, and the reason is now clear.

Three arms ran at document-1024 (context 1536) — the #2016 batched build, the vec4 build, and the rows image — and every arm produced the pinned logits digest 7f9d8e65, with ids and repeats matching. Yet every arm also failed the oracle elementwise check with ~13.6 million mismatching elements against the oracle file.

So the kernels agree with each other and with the pinned digest, and the elementwise comparison disagrees with the hash for every arm. The comparison path for this case is broken, not any build. Until that comparison is fixed, no 1024-token lever number can be produced here; the 256-token case works and is fully measured (rows 28.67% in this harness; stack 82.88%; barrier 5.1%).

For completeness, the arms were built in the same session from the #2016 batched tree (decd73ca…), the vec4 tree 071e6bdc (151319df…), and the #2017 rows head c00fb90b (05c7c4c1…), so this is not an arm-labelling problem either.

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Thanks @joshuaswarren. All three things we asked for on this one are in:

  • Rows 5 and 33: the contract now serves 5x257x128, which also leaves a column tail, and 33x6144x2048.
  • The planted control: a ninth control drops the rows past the last four-row block, and gate 3 catches it at the
    tail row.
  • The non-Apple run: the B60 prints the same 4 kernels and 9 controls.

Three things before it lands:

  1. A long-input timing on the B60. This kernel only runs on prompt chunks of four or more rows. On the B60 the
    24-token gain settled at about 2.4%, so the 256- and 1,024-token documents are where it matters, and the harness
    carries them now. Please run this build against Vulkan: one submission per batch of dispatches, 30% to 56% less run time on an M1 with the same logits (stacked on #2015) #2016's batched build on both, with the digests.
  2. The receipt in the tree. kernel-contract-m1-13-inch.txt is the run from before c00fb90b (8 controls).
    Please replace it with the 9-control run, and paste the B60 line at this head here.
  3. The posted medians. Recomputed from the posted milliseconds:
    • The 21:11 table's pairs are 37.74%, 62.68% and 61.50% (median 61.50%, not 61.85%). Its pair 1, 742 ms against
      462 ms, looks like a different measurement from the other two.
    • The 22:43 table's median is 78.81%, not 78.67%.

Please fix the tables or say how the median is taken. The body's table checks out.

If the ci: re-run commit is empty, it can go at squash.

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Correction to the two tables: from the displayed milliseconds, the 21:11 pairs are 37.736%, 62.679%, and 61.505%, so their median is 61.505%, not 61.85%. The 22:43 pairs are 79.257%, 78.669%, and 78.805%, so their median is 78.805%, not 78.67%. I withdraw the earlier summaries for those tables. I have not established why the first 21:11 pair differs from the other two, and these corrections do not reconcile the original per-process files. The B60 document-256 and document-1024 timing and the updated 9-control receipt remain open.

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The zig-macos-dev-tools check on head 2ddc8b615343568c46053f327bb3e5d6b9ca1f46 was cancelled before a runner acquired the job. The check annotation says: The job was not acquired by Runner of type hosted even after multiple attempts, followed by macOS arm64 capacity warnings. There is no job log. My current upstream repository permission is READ, so I cannot rerun the failed job there. Could someone with Actions permission rerun the failed job? No source fix is indicated by that cancellation.

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For document-256, the three paired run-2 durations were 5427/5464 ms, 5399/5466 ms, and 5630/5461 ms (batched/rows). The median paired change was -0.68%, so the 3% gain rule was not met. Each duration includes reset, prefill, decode, and readback. All six processes matched the generated-token reference and each other’s logits digest. They did not pass independent logits accuracy: the first old-build run reported 13,716,803 elementwise logits mismatches against the oracle. This corrects my earlier claim that the 256-token case was fully accurate.

The run used the Intel Vulkan ICD and vendor selector on a 16-inch M1 Max MacBook Pro with an attached Arc Pro B60. The probe did not record the selected physical-device PCI address, so device attribution is not independently verified. The packet directories were initially absent, staging excluded Python bytecode, and no cache was present on later inspection; I did not capture their state at launch.

At document-1024 the first batched process exited 1. Its generated IDs diverged from the oracle beginning at token index 58, although its two runs matched each other. No paired timing is available for that case.

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For document-1024, the unchanged #2016 baseline generated the same IDs in both runs, but differed from the stored oracle at zero-based token 58: the run selected 10895 and the oracle selected 13. In the stored BF16 logits at that row, both tokens have value 18.375. In the run, they are 18.375 and 18.25 respectively. This identifies a near-tie; it does not establish the cause of the numerical difference.

For the B60 comparison, would you prefer an oracle generated on that device, or a same-device old-versus-new token check? I will rerun after your choice. The next probe will record the selected device name and PCI address; the earlier run did not.

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Thanks @joshuaswarren, and thanks for the corrected medians. To your question: please use a same-device old-versus-new
token check. Our bar for a second backend is that each build is exact against itself (the #2016 build and this one
give the same token ids on the B60), and that agreement with a reference holds within near-ties. Token 58 at
doc-1024 is a near-tie in the stored oracle (both 18.375), so that one is fine as long as both builds pick the
same token. Please record the device name and PCI address, as you said. For doc-256 on the B60, two of three pairs
came out slower (median −0.68%), so could you add an A/A there, the #2016 build against itself, to show the spread?
If the loss is outside it, keep qmm_q4_tile for that shape on Intel and say so in the selection. We'll rerun the
cancelled macOS job.

…-inch M1

The receipts folder holds the identity probe (21 of 21, the tiled image byte-identical on all 12 projection
cases), the contract runner's output (3 kernels pass gates 1 to 4, 8 of 8 controls caught), the
pre-registration with its addendum, a summary generated from the raw run files, and the SHA-256 of each raw
file. Against the vec4 build a run took 19%, 50% and 63% less time on three inputs, with the same logits
digest in all six processes of each case.
… keeps its name

Layers 0-3 store f32. The restack tiled every projection and handed those views to qmm_q4_tile, which reads packed bf16. projectTiled now refuses a non-bf16 view, and the loader keeps row weights unless the layer's activations are bf16. Fixture.kernel applies the name field again, so vec4 and tile no longer report as qmm_bf16.

Proved: zig build stage1-host-test model-host-test -Dvulkan=true, 87/87 steps succeeded. The new tests failed first (expected error.Invalid, found void; fixture name stayed the default).
The first figures (19%, 50%, 63%) came from heads before the float32 fix, on an
older kernel and Mesa build. On the fixed heads, on a 13-inch M1 with Linux
7.3.0-2-20261110.1-lab-ARCH, the three cases took 10.9%, 35.6% and 44.9% less
time than with qmm_q4_vec4 (three pairs each, one logits digest per case). The
gain depends on the environment; these runs do not separate the cause.

The stage 1 probe and the kernel contract output are from the earlier builds
and were not re-run.

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Adds the P-core pinned ashhart#1990 against ashhart#2015 timing on the 13-inch M1 (28.6%, 54.4%, 66.8%, equal logits digests), the output of the ten contract and stage runners at 2a5a06c including qmm_q4_tile_f32, and replaces the earlier-build kernel contract and identity probe files.

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…ce per batch

Every Pipeline.run was its own submission with a fence wait. On a 13-inch M1 the 31,104 dispatches of a
64-step Qwen3.5-2B run (486 a step) cost about 90 us each in submit and wait alone, about 40 percent of
the run. Run now records into the open command buffer and Commands submits when 128 dispatches are
waiting, or when the next upload, download or fill needs the queue, so a readback still sees every
earlier dispatch and no kernel's arithmetic changes.

A pipeline holds a ring of 256 descriptor sets: bind fills the next one and record binds the current
one, so a set is never rewritten while a recorded dispatch still uses it (a flush at 128 keeps the ring
from wrapping). Commands.begin returns the open buffer instead of resetting it; submit with nothing
recorded is a no-op.

Proved by: every Vulkan host suite passes; stage 1 to 5 probes on a software Vulkan device: 21 of 21,
9 of 9, 4 of 4, 6 of 6 and 7 of 7. Not measured on a GPU yet.
…on a 13-inch M1

The receipts folder holds the stage 1 probe on the GPU (21 of 21, the tiled image equal to the default
image on all 12 projection cases), the contract runner's output (3 kernels pass gates 1 to 4, 8 of 8
controls caught), the pre-registration, a summary generated from the raw run files, and the SHA-256 of each
raw file. Against the tile build a run took 68%, 49% and 30% less time on three inputs, with the same logits
digest in all six processes of each case.
…ontracts

gates.runAll converts every kernel error, Timeout and InFlight included,
into a FAIL verdict. An unguarded GPU call let a fence timeout unwind into
the rig's frees and vkDestroyDevice with work possibly in flight, instead
of the tree's exit-124 and exit-1 doctrine (commands.zig:104,122).

Guard the datamove rig's upload and download and the four fixture launches
with vk.orExit. In the greedy contract the draw arm returned select()'s
Timeout and InFlight past the fixture boundary and the control arm
submitted raw; guard both. A NonFinite refusal still reaches the refused
marker. Host tests lock the swallowing channel and the refusal.
…t call fails

A host allocation can fail between a recorded dispatch and the submission
that drains it. gates.runAll catches the error and the next prepare frees
buffers the still-open command buffer references, so a later submit would
dispatch on freed device memory. Commands.discard resets the open command
buffer and clears the batch state. The qmm fixture and control, the
datamove rig, the greedy rig and its device teardown call it before they
free anything.

Two failures left the stream usable after it should be terminal, and a
gate wrapper that catches and continues could reuse it. A vkResetFences
failure after a signaled wait left the fence signaled, and a failed
vkEndCommandBuffer left an invalid open buffer for the next begin. Both
now store a terminal error in Commands: begin and every later submit
refuse without recording or queueing, and vk.orExit ends the process.

Host tests drive discard through a stubbed vkResetCommandBuffer and force
each failure. A further test plants a failed host allocation on the qmm
fixture's and the control's allocator, then resets each with a dispatch
still recorded. Without discard in those resets the dispatch stays open
and the test fails.
Comment-only change: each two-line comment in the Vulkan sources becomes one
line of at most 120 columns. Lean check drops the 13 multi-line comment
problems this branch adds versus main; no code changed.

Checked: lean_check adds zero problems versus main; vulkan-host-test 75/75
steps, 228/230 tests, 2 skipped.
The first figures (68%, 49%, 30%) came from heads before the float32 fix, on
an older kernel and Mesa build. On the fixed heads, on a 13-inch M1 with Linux
7.3.0-2-20261110.1-lab-ARCH, the three cases took 57.8%, 34.1% and 16.6% less
time (three pairs each, one logits digest per case). Earlier builds of the
256-token document in the same environment gave 20.5%, so the gain depends on
the kernel and Mesa build; these runs do not separate the cause.

The stage 1 probe and the kernel contract output are from the earlier builds
and were not re-run.

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…pt chunk per thread

One thread dequantizes a weight once and adds it into four row accumulators, and unpacks each
activation once for two weights, 16 columns apart in a 32-column tile. projectTiled takes this
image for bf16 chunks of four rows or more; f32 activations keep qmm_q4_tile_f32 and shorter
bf16 chunks keep qmm_q4_tile. Each output keeps its own accumulator and its order of sums.

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…nt a control that skips the rows image

The rows image runs through the same five gates as the other tile images. The served shapes
5x257x128 and 33x6144x2048 leave a row tail (and a column tail for 257). The ninth control runs
the image without the rows past the last full block; gate 3 catches it. The f32 fixture stays.

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…t test

f32 activations take qmm_q4_tile_f32 at any row count, bf16 chunks of four rows or more take
qmm_q4_tile_rows, shorter bf16 chunks take qmm_q4_tile. projectTiled reads the choice from the function.

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Ten runners and the host test at 240216f on a 13-inch M1, and a three-pair run against ashhart#2017's head on a 13-inch M1 and a 16-inch M1 Max: gains 2.3% to 5.9% and 12.6% to 19.7%, equal logits digests.

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A third chip for the table: an RTX 5060 Ti (external GPU, Vulkan) on a 16-inch M1 Max, Qwen3.5-2B 4-bit, #2016 b39a43e97 against this head 4bffa0863.

How it was measured: one test binary per head, run on the same input in the order old, new, new, old, old, new (three runs per head per row). A row's time is the second of the two runs in each process, as the median of its three. Gain is (old - new) / old. Each cell is 10 rows, each row a separate job run; the table shows the median and the range.

input median gain range rows
256 tokens 5.0% -21.0% to 14.6% 10
1024 tokens 10.2% 0.5% to 16.8% 10
4096 tokens (tiled) 17.1% 14.1% to 19.9% 10

Correctness: at 256 and 1024 tokens every run of both heads generates the reference ids (64 steps). At 4096 tokens there is no reference for this input, so those rows say nothing about correctness against a reference; the two heads generate identical ids on every row, and the repeat checks inside each run pass.

The 256-token cell is noisy: one row has this head 21% slower, and the median is only 5%. The 1024 and 4096 cells have no row where this head is slower. Nothing here speaks to the open Intel question at 256 tokens.

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